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david lim

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Capacitor failed to discharged
Posted: Jul 12, 2012 1:23 AM
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Hi Guys,

Recently I met with one problem with capaitor discharge failure. Please refer attachment.

This failured was occured intermittently, while failure happened, after restart and reboot testhead,
capacitor can be discharged successfully at the end of the test and showed passed.
Please take note that there was no failure in autiadjust and full system diagnostics.

Did your guys have any idea how to solve above problem detected?

Thanks

Regards,
David
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Re: Capacitor failed to discharged
Posted: Jul 19, 2012 2:13 AM   in response to: david lim in response to: david lim
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Hi David,

there seems to be a custom discharge message, because this error is related to power supply disconnection.

could be that you have some large caps , and there is something 'custom' during the power off routine to discharge these caps.

if you search for dps in the tetsplan, that should give more clues as to what is happening ,

my guess would be that there are large caps , C72 etc.. and they are not having enough time to be discharged
david lim

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Re: Capacitor failed to discharged
Posted: Jul 19, 2012 3:58 AM   in response to: oconnellj in response to: oconnellj
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Hi Sir,

The discharge routine regards C72 C73 and C74 was shown as below


! Capacitor "c69 100n" is in parallel with:
!
! "c72 33.0u"
! "c73 33.0u"
! "c74 33.0u"
!
! Maximum capacitance = 119u; damage voltage = 1.834v
clear connect l to "PS3_3_GND"
connect g to "VPWR+"
discharge "CD17", entry 1.83, exit 0.05

And testplan regards dps was shown as below:

sub Test_Capasistor
powered
cps

dps 1 |dps 2 |dps 3 | wait 300m
sps 4,18.00,1.00;optimize | wait 400m
rps 4, V, A|print tab(10);chr$(27)&"&v3S"&"PS3:+18.0V",V,A
print
print tab(10);chr$(27)&"&v3S"&"=====>> c72, c73, c74"
print| wait 100m
test"analog/18v" | print tab(10);"analog/18v";dutfailed
wait 100m | dps1 | dps 2 |dps 3 |dps 4 | wait 100m
unpowered | wait 100m
call Shorts (Failed_In_Shorts, Mode$ & ShortsMsg$)
subend

Wait timing I have changed to 2 secs the result still the same. So what I guess not the wait time problem.

Regards,
David

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Re: Capacitor failed to discharged
Posted: Jul 23, 2012 2:47 AM   in response to: david lim in response to: david lim
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Hi David,

let me explain what is going on.

In the discharge file, this is not the source if the issue - the failure is from the sps, current supply section in the testplan.

This is a specific failure inside the testplan routine.

the routine is disconnecting the power supplies not used, and then uses supply 4 to set at 18 Volts - and then measures for this 18V in the 'analog/18V' - inside that test, will probably be the VPWR+ node.

so i would first find out exactly which part of the rotuine is causing the problem, is it at the first dps, or second dps after the tests.

i always use the pause and print statement , so add something like, print "debug cap1" | pause after the cps statment and then you can execute through each line by line, and then you should find the error line.

If it is the second dps, then you have issue with too much current being stored -

if it is the first dps, then did this tets work in the past and just stop owrking? then maybe you have a real defect, or something changed on the board to make this part fail
david lim

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Re: Capacitor failed to discharged
Posted: Jul 24, 2012 1:22 AM   in response to: oconnellj in response to: oconnellj
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Hi Sir,

After verification, there was an error occured during dps 4.

What does this mean and how we can solve this kind of problem?

Please take note that the baord can be passed after rebooting the system.

Thanks

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David Lim
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Re: Capacitor failed to discharged
Posted: Jul 30, 2012 9:12 AM   in response to: david lim in response to: david lim
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Hi David,

so it seems that it is the case that after the 18V test is finished, then trying to disconnect there is still current flowing.

I am also assume there is no hardware issue with the power supply - , if you ever like to check you can run diagnostics and do a specific test of the power supply in the 'support bay' section of diagnostics.

one other think to point out

cps

this line here already disconnected power supplies 1 , 2 and 3 <<<<<dps 1 |dps 2 |dps 3 | wait 300m
sps 4,18.00,1.00;optimize | wait 400m
rps 4, V, A|print tab(10);chr$(27)&"&v3S"&"PS3:+18.0V",V,A
print
print tab(10);chr$(27)&"&v3S"&"=====>> c72, c73, c74"
print| wait 100m

test"analog/18v" | print tab(10);"analog/18v";dutfailed

and you are disconnecting again supplies 1, 2 and 3, there is no need to do this<<<< wait 100m | dps1 | dps 2 |dps 3 |dps 4 | wait 100m

I recommend you try to change
change from >>>>wait 100m | dps1 | dps 2 |dps 3 |dps 4 | wait 100m
Change to >>>>wait 100m | dps | wait 100m

of course just the text, not the >>>

if this still doesnt work then seems you have too much current flowing afer the test is completed and you will need to add a small resistor in the power supply line (maybe 10 ohms) and use a scope to measure how long it takes for current to die away, and change wait time accordingly - or use resistors and relay to help discharge the large capacitors on this net

hope this works

david lim

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Re: Capacitor failed to discharged
Posted: Jul 30, 2012 7:51 PM   in response to: oconnellj in response to: oconnellj
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Hi,

From your statement,
change from >>>>wait 100m | dps1 | dps 2 |dps 3 |dps 4 | wait 100m
Change to >>>>wait 100m | dps | wait 100m

dps included dps1,dps2,dps3,dps4??

Thanks

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David
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Re: Capacitor failed to discharged
Posted: Jul 31, 2012 4:48 AM   in response to: david lim in response to: david lim
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Hi David, you can use dps 4, or dps

dps statement disconnects all power supplies, dpos 'x' will disconnect a specific supply

seeing as you only have ps4 active, dps 4 will be enough

if you are still having problem, then too much current is still an issue and you need to look deeper into reasons why there is current flowing

you an try to switch the voltage off after the analog tests to give more time for capacitor charge to die down - so try this >>>

test"analog/18v" | print tab(10);"analog/18v";dutfailed
sps 4,0.00,1.00;optimize | wait 400m !switch ps4 to zero volts
dps 4 | wait 100m
david lim

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Re: Capacitor failed to discharged
Posted: Jul 31, 2012 7:41 PM   in response to: oconnellj in response to: oconnellj
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Hi,

It works after set ps4 to zero volts.

Thanks for your advise!!!

Recently I have met one problem, "Critical testhead alarm" always pop out. It was belong to Unix controller version B3.80.
I have checked all the MPU don't have problem. Clamp shell power supply's fan not turning, after replaced a new one problem still there.

So can I know how to solve this kind of problem?

Thanks

Regards,
David Lim
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Re: Capacitor failed to discharged
Posted: Aug 1, 2012 8:58 AM   in response to: david lim in response to: david lim
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Hi David, this sounds like could be also caused by hardware failure - or over temperature issue

please check all blowers/fans are working on each module - also make sure the filetrs are clean, check the MPU fans are working OK (not stuck) and check fans on DUT power supply are OK

how hot is your factory ?

as this seems to be a problem with the test system, do you have a support representative you can contact within Agilent ? if you let me know your details, i can send contact information to you privately

thanks, Jon
david lim

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Re: Capacitor failed to discharged
Posted: Aug 1, 2012 9:20 PM   in response to: oconnellj in response to: oconnellj
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Hi Jon,

I have checked and cleaned all the blowers/fans, MPU's fans everything. All are function ok, but among 1 of the DUT power supplies's
fan not turning well, is it related to critical testhead alarm?

This system was recently have critical testhead alarm problem, previously doing ok.

Thanks

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David
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Re: Capacitor failed to discharged
Posted: Aug 2, 2012 4:19 AM   in response to: david lim in response to: david lim
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Hi David,

this type of problem can have a few causes, you have to see what else is reported - could be related to temperature, or occur when doing a certain task,

i suggest you run a full diagnostics and if you get any failures, analyse the dgn.log file

which region are you in ? do you have contact info for agilent support?
david lim

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Re: Capacitor failed to discharged
Posted: Aug 2, 2012 7:31 PM   in response to: oconnellj in response to: oconnellj
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Hi Jon,

I've run autoadjust all and full diagnostisc, besides marginal failure regards close relay test, DUT power supplies lead resistance and Mint pint failure,
result didn't show any failures related to testhead critical alarm. So I think should be no problem.

There was 1 factory that share many of testers, only this testers frequently appear testhead critical alarm, others testers don't have. Feedback from
their support team, they said they just run testing the PCB boards, after few hours, the symptoms like hang and "testhead critical alarm appear" simultaneously.
I'm region in Malaysian state of Johor. I already consult my representative engineer, his advise was checked all the cabling make don't have damaged.

Regards,
David
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Re: Capacitor failed to discharged
Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:59 AM   in response to: david lim in response to: david lim
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Hi David,

then all i can recommend is that you change both MPU (assume is a 2 module system ?)

also check that the testhead LAN section is ok, power supply to hub is OK

thanks
david lim

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Re: Capacitor failed to discharged
Posted: Aug 6, 2012 7:21 PM   in response to: oconnellj in response to: oconnellj
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Hi Jon,

There was 4 module system, problem was we don't know which MPU having problem.
It was a unix 725/50 contoller, it directly using BNC connect to system card, doesn't require network hub.

But recently what I was found while I running telnet unix itself IP address, it respond very slow. Others testers don't have this kind of problem.

And also I research from Agilent Website, please see below link.
http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/editorial.jspx?cc=SG&lc=eng&ckey=239877&nid=-11143.0.00&id=239877&pselect=SR.GENERAL

Do think above INVOKE.txt can help??

Thanks

Regards,
David

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